40 – S5:E5 – TedX Speaker Dr. Terrlyn L. Curry Avery Talks Sacred Intelligence, “Pastology” & Being Wounded By Religion

Michelle & Nicole welcome special guest, Dr. Terrlyn L. Curry Avery to The Sparkle Hour to talk about some of THE REALLY BIG STUFF.

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Show Notes

Religion is a loaded word. The topic is so heavy and brings up such strong emotion for many of us, so it is often easier just to avoid the conversation. Today, we are taking a huge breath and engaging the conversation with open hearts and a willingness to be healed. We both have had some traumatic experiences with religion, but have found healing and hope in spirituality. We couldn’t think of anyone better to lead us to a deeper understanding of the sacred than Dr Terrlyn Curry Avery. Terrlyn loves to ask the Big Questions, and all of that questioning has led her to a deep relationship with the Sacred. Today, you are going to hear all about how our deepest wounds caused by religion can be healed through an authentic interaction with the Sacred.

Terrlyn has developed a spiritual practice and philosophy called Pastology. It is a beautiful intermingling of how psychology and pastoring can overlap to create something truly transformative. Terrlyn knows that so many of us have been dealt a huge blow by the religious institutions in our world. She has battled them herself as a female of color who felt called to be a pastor. Though she resisted the call at first, Terrlyn has found a place in this world that is absolutely changing lives.

Deep down, Terrlyn wants everyone to know that they are divinely created and deeply loved by that creator. She encourages each of us to approach spirituality with an open heart and mind that is ready to accept that love. Today, we are tackling some of the toughest issues when it comes to religion, but with each difficult conversation, Terrlyn offers hope and love in excess. Wherever you stand on religion, we hope that you have space in your heart to engage in this important conversation. Don’t tune us out! There is something amazing waiting for you here.


  • Why we love our guests! Hear all about Terrlyn and how she is changing the world. #00:0030#
  • Terrlyn shares how she became interested in Pastology, and what it means to be a pastor. #00:02:50#
  • The struggle to be authentic and also accepted as a woman of color and a pastor. #00:07:30#
  • Religion can be wounding, but when we tap into the sacred relationship, we can find freedom. #00:10:00#
  • We have to keep these conversations open! #00:18:00#
  • Spirituality is so needed for healing. #00:23:00#
  • What the Sacred means for you and your journey #00:25:00#



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Quotes and Shareables


There is a need to serve people with both psychology and pastoring.


It’s time to open up the conversation about spirituality.


The source of our deepest wounds can also be the source of greatest healing.


Religion tells us that God doesn’t love you because of who you are. When we restore our relationship to the Sacred, we heal those wounds.


“We are all divinely created, and we are all unconditionally loved.” –Terrylyn Curry Avery


“It takes people staying within religious circles in order to change them.”-Terrlyn Curry Avery


“I began to realize that I needed spirituality and to make space in my life for a higher power.” –Nicole


“I grew up in a family that was very steeped in church faith, but my parents always encouraged me to ask questions.”-Terrlyn Curry Avery


BIO- Dr. Terrlyn L. Curry Avery is the creator of pastology, the cutting-edge field that focuses on the synergy between pastoring and psychology.  In her work both as an ordained minister and as a licensed psychologist, Dr. Curry Avery observed that although religion is a healing balm for some, often it is an instrument of wounding for others.  These wounds range from rejecting all connections with the Sacred to self-hatred to remaining in abusive relationships to refusing medical intervention to a belief that only MY religion is the “right” religion.

Her forward-thinking junction of two complementary fields was the impetus from which she launched her movement of healing religious wounds.

Dr. Curry Avery emphasizes the journey toward sacred intelligence: the ability to tap into one’s internal source in order to move toward intelligent choices. Her mission is to help heal religious wounds through teaching individuals to recognize the impact of these wounds on a personal level (e.g., depression, poor self-worth, unhealthy life styles, and toxic relationships) as well as the broader society (e.g., violence, hate, discrimination, and hostility).  The increase in hate crimes and religious persecution has affirmed her beliefs that the wounds of religion are broad and require an understanding of the complexities of religious convictions in conjunction with one’s emotional development.

Dr. Curry Avery holds a Ph.D. from Hofstra University and a Masters of Divinity from Yale University.  She is a pastologist, speaker, and facilitator of advanced therapy and workshops.  Dr. Curry Avery is the author of Sacred Intelligence:  The Essence of Sacred, Selfish and Shared Relationships.  She is also the host of the Public Access Show:  Sacred Intelligence TV with Your Host Dr. Terrlyn L. Curry Avery.

Website: sacredintelligence.com.  Twitter: @DrTLCAvery

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